Monday, March 12, 2007

Monday Thread

In case you missed it, Sean Hannity's "Enemy of the Week" was Hugo Chavez. (The segment used to be called "Enemy of the State," but it was changed a week after the show debuted. Too Stalinish.)

Hannities enemies are always strongmen or Hollywood celebs. Except the time he picked the mayor of Philadelphia.

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air-ono said...

finally, nowhere arsehole
(to quote my good "friend" james hetfield)
you're a...
harvester of sorrow

Waiting for Cicero said...

bridge:

"I am looking for a site where bloggers are not so agenda-driven and consequently rude and crude (like, for instance, at dkos, HuffPost, and especially Steve Gilliard (Yikes!)... those I checked out so far and a few others) and can discuss politics and the social and cultural stuff without immediately falling into the deep morass of bias."

First, let me state that I'm not trying to attack you. I just disagree with some of your conclusions.

When you talk about "falling into the deep morass of bias," that's where I got vacuum. If you think folks are capable of discussing politics without some sort of bias, you know something I don't.

I agree with you about the agenda thing. Kos agenda is electing Dems, at the expense of issues. That bugs me, but I'm trying to learn compromise, so... I'm no fan of Markos. His politics are not mine. I avoid HuffPo because I think it's a celebrity blog, and that's just not my thing. I adore Gilliard.

I disagree with "The blogger majority there are kos borgs and thats a fact. And it has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton, for heaven's sake. There, You are projecting, again."

First, how can you state that as a "fact"? I've never encountered a group that agrees less than the kossacks. The reason that I brought up Senator Clinton is that I've often seen you defend her, while sometimes disparaging the other candidates. None of 'em has exactly lit a fire under my ass, but I've gotten a little sick of the meme that the kossacks hate Hillary. Perhaps that's not your thought process, in which case I apologize. In any case, I've seen less support for Senator Clinton there than for any other candidate, but she is not without her supporters.

Again, I disagree with you, but I'm not trying to piss you off. That's not my thing. I hope you'll be around again, and I hope that you have a great evening.

Anonymous said...

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(post #2 -continued)

Next, I disagree with his views on Darfur and Rwanda. Darfur and Rwanda are not simply a “metaphor” for senseless violence in politics. Along with Iraq, I acknowledge that Sudan and Rwanda have complex histories and I am aware of their “messy” politics.

Absolutely, diplomacy and negotiations between rival groups vying for power are critical for resolving conflicts. But what if the parties involved are unwilling to use diplomacy?

What should happen? Will supporting “solidarity” realistically bring peace? Should an international force intervene to stop violence against civilians if those vying for power refuse to cooperate (even if it means more violence)? What is the answer to stopping mass killings and violence anywhere?

According to international law, the international community is mandated to take action when genocide, ethnic cleansing, and/or crimes against humanity are taking place. (Then there should be accountability internationally through bodies like the ICC).

However, it usually doesn‘t. The international community makes the decision to do nothing in response to genocide or ethnic cleansing regardless of when and where it is occurring (with a few rare exceptions).

Instead, the international community usually argues about the proper definitions, the semantics, and chooses to do nothing.

Power points this out in her book by examining the U.S. policy and response to genocide. This is the lesson at the heart of her book.

We choose to do nothing. It is our collective problem from hell.

In this article, the author does the same thing by arguing principally about the semantics.

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I also take issue with his assumptions and simplistic “good vs. evil” view of those who believe that international law should be applied.

Does this mean that I am one of those so-called “Warriors of Terror” demonizing the enemy because they are Arabs -- that he mentions in his article?

Anonymous said...

thanks a mil, Shells

saw it and will check it out and see what its all about

btw. did you see The Illusionist? Was so good. You will like that film I am sure.

must go, too
xoxoxo

Waiting for Cicero said...

Night, NC.

Alice said...

That is genius.

Anonymous said...

"ok - forget it, everyone ...
Just thought I ask. Gave it a try ...
byebye
and have a lovely evening ..."

+++++++++++

I was thinking of trying IRC, maybe there are some channels that have something of quality going on. It seems that IRC is a whole huge world... I don't know. If I try it, I'll post about it here.

But I have a feeling it's probably not much different. The freer and more intelligent places may always go hand in hand with the garbage and vulgarity. Maybe.

If you find any interesting sites on your search, please pass them on...

Alice said...

I'll put it on my list, bridge, thanks!

xoxo

Alice said...

IRC is strange for me...

Unknown said...

evening gang!

just talked to CB!

he sends his love to the gang and

is bored out of his skull. his granny got em an sub to the NY Post.

sent em a US $20 and they grabbed half.

anybody wanna send em a $10 money order?

Waiting for Cicero said...

Ugh. I feel like I "harshed the mellow" in here.

bbl

air-ono said...

(LOL!)
ok, one more
(one more)

what comes to mind when i'm struggling to rid that ugly "nowhere" anonymous from my thoughts

TWAT!

(NB: you gotta listen to john cooper clarke actually recite it for the full effect of it's venom)

ok,
the dead bear is off my shoulders

Unknown said...

(he'd settle for a bad joke too...)

i print up a few pages of blog and send it along.

thinking of sending him zen buddhist text and illustrations.

air-ono said...

//just talked to CB!//

wow, you got the number?

Anonymous said...

"We choose to do nothing. It is our collective problem from hell.

In this article, the author does the same thing by arguing principally about the semantics.

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I also take issue with his assumptions and simplistic “good vs. evil” view of those who believe that international law should be applied.

Does this mean that I am one of those so-called “Warriors of Terror” demonizing the enemy because they are Arabs -- that he mentions in his article?"

++++++++

Interesting stuff. I think I'll have to read Power's book now.

Here in NY I see the huge stop the genocide in Darfur campaign, and notice that there isn't anywhere near as large a campaign going on about awareness of Iraq, where the numbers of dead civilians are similar. And the numbers of dead in Congo that he mentions are new to me... You don't hear much about Congo in the mainstream American press.

This was what caught my attention, why I posted the article. And now I'm glad I posted it, because your comments have given me some food for thought.

And by the way- Personally, I don't think you're a "Warrior of Terror." hee

Unknown said...

called collect

$8 for the first minute a buck a min after

we talked a 20 away.

Alice said...

You didn't harsh anything for me, WFC...

Unknown said...

i have to get a "visitor permit" to see him.

they have a dress code.

Alice said...

Anti-Bush March Repressed in Guatemala

Guatemala, Mar 12

Special forces from the Guatemalan Army and police repressed hundreds of demonstrators, who were protesting when local authorities were officially welcoming US President George W. Bush.Mexicans Reject Bush Visit
# Bush Visit Outrageous, Say Guatemalan Indigenous

The demonstrators, chanting slogans against Bush s visit to Guatemala, succeeded in getting some 330 feet from the government seating, where a triple cordon of special agents from the army and police stopped them.

After more than two hours of protests, during which leaders from different social sectors gave speeches, the security forces began throwing tear gas and beating the demonstrators.

air-ono said...

you wanna skype it to me

(oh)
(please)
(mister)

Unknown said...

HE called ME collect!

glad that he could. nothing lonelier than being in the holding tank (pre allocation facility)

Alice said...

Mexicans Reject Bush Visit

The strict security measures established in Merida, Mexico proved ineffective Monday, faced with the increasing rejection of US President George W. Bush s visit all over Mexico.

"Yucatan is not the US backyard," read a huge banner students put up at the Plaza de Armas, in actions planned before and during Bush s meeting Monday with Mexican President Felipe Calderon.

It was a tense calm in the Yucatan capital, one that could break anytime, as happened in each of the four plazas Bush has visited in his Latin American tour of Brazil, Uruguay, Colombia, and Guatemala.

air-ono said...

DAMN!
i suppose i better write that letter, pronto!

Alice said...

ok..I've disobeyed my inner-parent for too long tonight...guess I should sleep...

Sweet dreams, Blog... xoxo

air-ono said...

i'm in a big slump

but if i complete the letter,
it'll pep me up some...

(gtg)

Anonymous said...

"Yes. That's what I think of...too...then they toss a bread crumb..."

Ya, and then they immediately start into scheming on how to steal it back.

+++++++

"to me that's a BIG point..I'm not so sure that 'the state' provides those things in a limited ways..I think they sure like us to believe that they do..."

The state may provide it in a limited way because it has no choice. If the power elite had their choice, they wouldn't allow it. A certain amount of freedom is tolerated, maybe because without it the pressure cooker would explode. Or at least that might be the perception... which either way gives us some space to organize and make changes.

It's an old argument... the Step by step people are usually criticized for being sellouts, but the revolutionaries make huge strides, that usually end in some worse form of totalitarian structure, in spite of their best efforts and intentions.

Not that revolution will always go that way. I think there's merit to both sides of that argument.

Jeez, I'm so liberal tonight...

Anonymous said...

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dada said...

Interesting stuff. I think I'll have to read Power's book now.

This was what caught my attention, why I posted the article. And now I'm glad I posted it, because your comments have given me some food for thought.

And by the way- Personally, I don't think you're a "Warrior of Terror." hee

March 12, 2007 10:08 PM

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I highly recommend Power's book if you are interested in the subject.
I'm glad that I posted my comments.

Here's something I compiled after reading the article -

I must admit that I never thought of myself as Star “Warrior of Terror“ Vox before with “voyeuristic” tendencies toward the “pornography of violence” while espousing that I am a “virtuous” observer -- which accompanies my “moralistic discourse” about the “untainted” good victims, my “demonization” of the “Arab” evil-doers, and most importantly, my general lack of knowledge about the politics and history at the root cause of the real problem -- from my moral high ground, of course.


Good to know that you don't think I am a Warrior of Terror!

Anonymous said...

"Hey! Where did you find an ambulance?

Since emergency services are funded by taxes, I would not be counting on ambulances or drivers.

Of course, you are probably one of the high falutin' few who has connections with some corrupt contractor. (They will allow you to ride in an ambulance for an undisclosed fee).

By the way, where is the ambulance going?

Have you paid for reservations at a private hospital in advance? You would not be counting on a hospital supported by the government, would you?"

+++++++

As transplant techniques are perfected and refined, the age-old dream of
immortality is now within the grasp of mankind. But who is to decide out of
a million applicants for the same heart? There simply aren't enough parts to
go around. You need the job lot once a year to save 20 percent, folks. Big
executives use a heart a month just as regular as clockwork. Warlords,
paying off their soldiers in livers and kidneys and genitals, depopulate whole
areas. Vast hospital cities cover the land; the air-conditioned hospital palaces
of the rich radiate out to field hospitals and open-air operating booths.

http://www.interpc.fr/mapage/westernlands/immortality.html

Immortality

Anonymous said...

Good to hear chubbs is ok. Thanks, Jim

I should probably get going too. Night Star Vox, everyone..

Anonymous said...

If someone could make sure Shell hears that, I'd appreciate it.

I don't have email for awhile.

blah blah blah said...

the lead article in the old grey lady says it all:

White House Said to Prompt Firing of Prosecutors

By DAVID JOHNSTON and ERIC LIPTON
WASHINGTON, March 12 — The White House was deeply involved in the decision late last year to dismiss federal prosecutors, including some who had been criticized by Republican lawmakers, administration officials said Monday.

toniD said...

Trouble for Big Finance - subprime bank on verge of multi-billion dollar collapse
by Chris in Paris · 3/13/2007 04:42:00 AM ET
Discuss this post here: Comments (6) · digg it · reddit · FARK · · Link


Who needs regulation anyway? Free and easy money for all and predatory banking practices never hurt anyone, right?

Subprime mortgages - home loans given to borrowers with weak credit - have been a lucrative business for investment banks, which buy the loans, repackage them and sell them to investors around the world, including pension funds and hedge funds.

But cracks in the subprime sector have been surfacing at an alarming speed. On Monday, No. 2 subprime lender New Century Financial warned that it faces $8.4 billion in loan repayment obligations - little more than a week after revealing doubts about its ability to survive.

New Century also disclosed that it had financing deals with some of the nation's biggest investment and commercial banks, including Morgan Stanley, Citigroup, Bank of America and the mortgage division of Goldman Sachs.
Looks like a solid group that doesn't need to be regulated in any way at all. If you can overlook the overlap between the Big Finance names caught up in this problem as well as the recent SEC investigation into insider trading, everything will be fine and you can easily understand why regulation is not necessary, that industry can self-regulate. Just don't look too closely.

LINK

toniD said...

CNN Poll: Only 18% Back Pardon for Libby

By E&P Staff

Published: March 12, 2007 9:10 PM ET

NEW YORK You might get a different impression from the tone of the media coverage, but a new CNN poll finds that less than 1 in 5 Americans back a pardon for former top White House and vice presidential aide Lewis "Scooter" Libby.

Nearly 70 % of Americans oppose a presidential pardon for Libby after his conviction on perjury and other charges related to the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame.

Just 18% percent said they would support a pardon for Libby. "Meanwhile," CNN reports, "a narrow majority said they believe Cheney was part of a cover-up in the case."

In an example of the pardon-friendly coverage to date, Andrea Mitchell of NBC said on "Hardball" tonight that polling "indicates that most people think, in fact, that he should be pardoned. Scooter Libby should be pardoned."

The new poll was conducted for CNN by Opinion Research Corp. between Friday and Sunday. Pollsters quizzed 1,027 adults for the survey, which had a sampling error of 3 percentage points.

LINK

toniD said...

Alberto Gonzales's Role in the Plame Cover-Up
As Senators start to pile on our lamentable Attorney General for presiding over Karl Rove's politicization of the US Attorneys Office -- an offense known as 'obstruction of justice' -- I would like to direct your attention to a similar but somehow forgotten scandal.

Everyone seems to have forgotten that then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales also presided over one of the more sordid aspects of the Plame scandal. When Gonzales first learned that the Justice Department had started an official investigation into the Plame leak, Gonzales waited twelve hours before putting the White House staff on notice that they had to preserve documents and electronic files. Which seemed than -- and seems now -- like an open invitation to "shredding and deleting," not to mention getting your story straight. In short, obstruction of justice.

And it's not as if Gonzales dithered trying to make up his mind what to do. He told White House Chief of Staff Andy Card about the investigation right away -- many hours before sending the official notification to preserve all evidence.

Here's how Senator Harkin described the sequence of events back in October 2003:

On September 26, the Department of Justice officially launches its investigation.

Interestingly, it took 4 days after that "official" launch for the Justice Department to call White House Counsel Gonzales and notify him of the official investigation. Gonzalez then asked for an extra day before the Justice Department gave the White House the official notice, which means all documents and records must be preserved.

A recent letter was sent to the President from Senators Daschle, Schumer, Levin, and Biden which also expresses concern about this break from regular procedure.

They wrote:

Every former prosecutor with whom we have spoken has said that the first step in such an investigation would be to ensure all potentially relevant evidence is preserved, yet the Justice Department waited four days before making a formal request for documents.
Interestingly, the letter goes on:
When the Justice Department finally asked the White House to order employees to preserve documents, White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales asked for permission to delay transmitting the order to preserve evidence until morning. The request for a delay was granted. Again, every former prosecutor with whom we have spoken has said that such a delay is a significant departure from standard practice.

LINK

blah blah blah said...

toniD wrote:

In an example of the pardon-friendly coverage to date, Andrea Mitchell of NBC said on "Hardball" tonight that polling "indicates that most people think, in fact, that he should be pardoned. Scooter Libby should be pardoned."

The new poll was conducted for CNN by Opinion Research Corp. between Friday and Sunday. Pollsters quizzed 1,027 adults for the survey, which had a sampling error of 3 percentage points.


seems to me the sampling error is closer to 80%.

in other news we asked people who agree with me if i was right and they overwhelming responded with yes.

toniD said...

blah, blah, blah said...

seems to me the sampling error is closer to 80%.

in other news we asked people who agree with me if i was right and they overwhelming responded with yes.

Don't understand what you mean here?

blah blah blah said...

toniD,

i thought your article said that only 1 in 5 support a libby pardon. yet hardball goes on to say that most people think he should be pardoned.

so there must be a significant sampling error / built in bias to get a poll that gives them the results they want.

the last sentence was just a lame attempt at sarcastic humor. that'll teach me a lesson.

blah blah blah said...

whats really going on in the equities market? consider the following:

Futures Manipulation 101
March 8, 2007 in Stocks

After last week’s extremely scary and extremely real selloff, big money is trying to distribute shares without causing a panic.

The easiest way to do this is to simply manipulate futures. Since futures contracts are less liquid than stocks, less numerous, and easier to move, the BIG BIG players in the market can move the ENTIRE market for just a few million bucks in risk.

Thursday morning was a perfect example: No real news, but a HUGE gap up in the overall market. Asian stocks finally took a breather from the selloff, so the stage was set:

1. Dump money into buying the main index futures to push them up nicely before the premarket begins.

2. There is no other news to move the market, so premarket opens sharply higher and BECOMES the story.

3. Support the big ETFs as needed and you’ve successfully earned yourself a massively higher open across the ENTIRE market….and a great opportunity to distribute billions of dollars worth of equities at 1-3% higher than they were worth yesterday.

4. Sell steadily throughout the day to the reinvigorated bulls

Oh, and those futures contracts can be dumped pretty easily throughout the day with a minimal loss. Not a bad price to pay indeed. Even sweeter to pull it off the day before huge employment data that could rock the market….


taken from:

http://andyswan.com/2007/03/08/futures-manipulation-101/

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