Surprise! Valerie Plame testifed she WAS a covert operative when she was outed on July 14, 2003.
It's Casual Friday! Break out your official Sam Seder Show...Zubaz!
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It's Gonzo Watch Day 5! Will Alberto Gonzales' (pictured below, with Karl Rove) resignation come today? Friday at 4 p.m. is a great time to dump bad news...
(PSSST ... We've been posting lots of pictures of the muppet Gonzo to, you know, make fun of Alberto Gonzales. Points to whoever can find ... or create .. a picture of Gonzo WEARING ZUBAZ.)
In the meantime, here's who's on the show today: In the 9 o'clock hour, Joe Conason of the New York Observer and Salon.com. Later, in the 11 o'clock hour, we'll raise Marc Maron, who according to the phone number he gave us for today is in Atlanta.
Here's today's comment thread
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Meet Me In The Street Tomorrow (4th Anniversary Iraq War Protest)
I’ll be there with a sign that on one side has a big green pic of Bush that says “Making a Killing.” The other side has The Hollywood Liberal written out (Its the one in the pic below.) If you see it stop by and say hi.
March 17 Mass Anti-War Protest in
Los Angeles
4th
Anniversary of the Iraq War - Stop the War!
Live Concert by Ozomatli & Performance by Jackson Browne
Saturday, March 17, 12 noon
Gather at Hollywood & Vine, Los Angeles (at Red Line Metro stop) March to Hollywood & Highland for Rally
For more info call 323-464-1636 or email
answerla@answerla.org.
Momentum
for the March 17 mass anti-war protest in Los Angeles is
building every day. On March 17, many tens of thousands of
people will assemble at 12 noon on the corner of Hollywood and
Vine and then march through Hollywood. March 17 is the 4th
anniversary of the illegal Iraq war. We’ll demand "U.S. Out of
Iraq Now!" at this critical time.
The rally will feature live performances from the
Grammy-winning band Ozomatli and the legendary Jackson Browne, a
member of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. There will also be
celebrities, community leaders and activists and much more.
45 organizing centers in Southern California, Arizona, Nevada and
New Mexico are mobilizing transportation to the LA protest.
People are bringing buses, vans, carpools and "peace trains."
Wow. Rep. John Sarbanes from Maryland is a hottie.
Damn... pay attention to the question...!
Audrey said...
someone said to me today that Bill Clinton fired more Judges than this current Gonzo thing...is this true? What then is the difference?
March 16, 2007 8:36 AM
Audrey...do the research. Every President, just coming into office changes the (State) attorneys.
Reagan did it, papa Bush did it. But that was at the beginning of their terms, not in the middle.
someone said to me today that Bill Clinton fired more Judges than this current Gonzo thing...is this true? What then is the difference?
March 16, 2007 8:36 AM
Short answer?
Specious logic. The reasons and particulars are the problems.
tonid said...
Good looking too!
~-~-~
Hands off, bee-yotch. He's mine.
;-p
GBC, you just like Greeks. I know ;)
Sarbanes:
If she knows what they hoped to be gained by that. She replies that the suggestion that she was responsible for his assignment in order to discredit his report. Sarbanes responds highly unlikely her status would have been disclosed accidentally. Had to be carefully orchestrated and set up.
New liveblog thread
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/3/16/113727/605
Kalie killed Disco, the radio Star, and the plot. Jon Bennett Ramsey, it was him. Global Warming, his fault too. Too much curry maybe...
Damn straight it was orchestrated, John!
And devastating to her life? Shit. At least she's alive. What about everyone involved with Brewster-Jennings? We don't even know what's happened to them.
Repugs still trying to pin to CIA
A Lizard Brain has just moved in behind Plame. Just over her left shoulder!
where are the trolls?
where are bertie's boys?
AND WHAT WITH THAT GAY PAINTING OF BUSH IN A LEATHER JACKET ON GONZO'S OFFICE WALL??
I ate alot of baby spinach b4 that effing e-coli scare!
Britney and K Fed....yeah K Moham was behind their breakup. Whitney and Bobby, well, obviously. Who else could have taught crackish hair do that well?
Higher Anarchy
Missoula Free School shakes a fist at traditional hierarchy to educate the community
...
The Free School relies on interested community members to teach subjects in which they are knowledgeable.
...
“The organization is not top-down. The decisions are made collectively. The work is done collectively,” he says. “The Free School follows the anarchist system because we’re trying in an organized fashion to organize non-hierarchical education.”
...
This ass Westmorland is asking of Vp and her husband are Democrats!
Wilson was a repub and became a Dem because of this admin. and what happened to him and his wife.
Now the repubs are trying to discount the whole hearings.
See that Lizard Brain that moved in behind Plame while this guy was yakking? He was nodding his head in the affirmative to all the bullshit he was trying to float.
From kos:
OMG - He said "lost his way and became a Democrat about Joe Wilson.
How dare he!!??
How fucking dare he - he thinks this is FUNNY?
My blood pressure just shot up, seriously, folks.
Now notice that the Lizard Brain that moved in behind Plame while Westmoreland spoke, has vanished!
He was a stooge!
Well... you know what the rightwingnuts are going to discuss all day today...
Look, see... She admitted to being a... {gasp!} DEMOCRAT!
Lady in Pink is a hero on CSPAN! Sam & Co, have you watched the video of Valerie Plame Wilson's testimony? Check out the woman standing in the background with an IMPEACH BUSH NOW tee-shirt and keep up the good fight!
WaitingForCicero said...
From kos:
OMG - He said "lost his way and became a Democrat about Joe Wilson.
How dare he!!??
How fucking dare he - he thinks this is FUNNY?
My blood pressure just shot up, seriously, folks.
March 16, 2007 8:51 AM
Relax WFC. He just made himself look rediculous! He's a clown and a not very smart one at that. Though he thinks so.
Wait...he's still there! Who is that weird dude?
Now the repubs are trying to discount the whole hearings.
I am happy to see them doing a horrible job at it too. This hearing is a testament to how bad Republican congress men are at oversight and how their whole world caves in light of the facts.
Not me toni. I'm too busy to comment. I'm just bringing relevant bits here.
That said, I'm pissed.
Watergate, v2.0. Time to tie an anchor around the idea of authoritarian conservatism, and throw it into the ocean of reality.
Matt Drudge will be all horny-"What she voted for a democrat! Ha, I knew it, get me a wet nap,".
http://www.raven1.net/uncom.htm
"We need a program of psychosurgery and political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated.
"The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective.
"Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electrical stimulation of the brain."
Dr. Jose Delgado (MKULTRA experimenter who demonstrated a radio- controlled bull on CNN in 1985)
Director of Neuropsychiatry, Yale University Medical School
Congressional Record No. 26, Vol. 118, February 24, 1974
Davis again. Still trying to blame the CIA.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/8820/mindcontrol.html
WHO IS IN CONTROL OF OUR MIND?
By Karin Pekarcik
Think again if you believe you are in total control of what you think, how you think, and why you think as you do.
Since birth we are all under the manipulation of mass consciousness through major media, schools, churches, etc. Our parents are well versed in the do’s and don’ts of culture, and they indoctrinate us early in our life into these same thinking and behavior patterns. Most of us don’t even know that we are born into this conditioning and continue throughout our lives to be the manipulated pawns of our society, never questioning our thought or behavior patterns.
The "Current" state of Mind Control
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070105.htm
Dr. Begich quotes John Alexander, author of Psychic Warrior, who worked at Los Alamos National Laboratory, "There are weapons systems that operate on the power of the mind and whose lethal capacity has already been demonstrated...The psychotronic weapon would be silent, difficult to detect, and would require only a human operator as a power source."
http://www.mercola.com/2007/mar/6/freud-was-used-to-control-the-masses.htm
Freud Was Used to Control the Masses
waxman: the facts are not republican or democratic.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=MOR20061217&articleId=4181
Mind Wars: Brain Research and National Defense
Jenise said...
waxman: the facts are not republican or democratic.
March 16, 2007 8:59 AM
the implication is democrats are sub-human and not entitled to protection under the law
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/gwen-haarp-satellite-gps-emf-control-grid.htm
GWEN Towers, HAARP & Satellite GPS_EMF Control Grid
"GWEN is a superb system, in combination with cyclotron resonance, for producing behavioural alterations in the civilian population. The average strength of the steady geomagnetic field varies from place to place across the United States. Therefore, if one wished to resonate a specific ion in living things in a specific locality, one would require a specific frequency for that location. The spacing of GWEN transmitters 200 miles apart across the United States would allow such specific frequencies to be 'tailored' to the geomagnetic-field strength in each GWEN area."
- Robert O. Becker, M.D., in "Crosscurrents: The Perils of Electropollution"
I think they will take a lunch break soon and come back to the hearings later.
Davis working very hard to smear CIA. This isn't gonna play.
How soon is the podcast going to be posted?
Bye Sam.
Sorry this Plame thing is too big.
i gots my pitchfork and torch. where's the mob gathering?
this hearing should have happened long long time ago.
K, I'll be liveblogging from here on out while I watch. If I' am threadjacking, let me know.
Doesn't anyone Remenber the 3 or 4 CIA Heads of Departments who Quit because of the Bush Admin.Crap!!a few years back!!They knew it was just more of the same Politics and Cover-up,Bush Admin.Politics,and Cover-up,so they left.They were just sick and tired of putting up with the Bush Admin.B.S.!All their experience and future work,down the drain.Now,that just made Our Country Weaker.Thanks Shrub!!
okay, this may be a stupid question, but we really have a house chaplain who prays before whatever it is they're doing at the house right now?!
seriously?
Waxman still streaming here.
Recess for next few miutes
Sorry for any typo's (Help me Chubby-wan Kenobi)
I have to go take a great big poop now!
I've been holding it in for the whole hearings!
the implication is democrats are sub-human and not entitled to protection under the law
March 16, 2007 9:00 AM
maybe so, bibi. i also thought westmoreland was trying to imply that wilson's being a democrat meant that his finding that the report was false couldn't be trusted. probably both.
Hiya, j-sama!
(Help me Chubby-wan Kenobi)
March 16, 2007 9:07 AM
i was thinkin' 'bout Chubby this morning
as an xm listener, ed schultz is officially an arse. his lead discussion is about college basketball.
I do not always see eye to eye with Mr. Bubbarach, but he is missed. : (
*Feedback*
WaitingForCicero said...
K, I'll be liveblogging from here on out while I watch. If I' am threadjacking, let me know.
March 16, 2007 9:04 AM
You do it well so please continue. I'll try throwing in something once in awhile.
Victoria Toe is a bitch so I'd like to see if these congressmen and women can put her in her place!!
I agree, blah 3, that these hearings should have been held sooner. But the rethugs had the control.
Back in session
Bill Leonard and Dr. James Knodell
Latest kos liveblog thread here
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/3/16/11363/4211
witnesses sworn
James Knodell, White House office of Security Director. Explaining his office.
Knodell = CSO Chief Security for Exec.'s
Seems to be all new people behind the speaker and the Pink lady is gone.
Explains that employees have to follow classification rules, and whether leakers lose security clearances
Bill Leonard, National Archives, Information Security Oversight Office-Director.
Explaining his Office.
hey, waiting. don't know how long i'll be able to stomach this, but i'll hang in there as long as i can.
tonid, who's victoria toe?
Bill Leonard: discussing authoriziation for classification/declasification
Poss. argue to get Cheney off the hook?
Toensig is a shill for the WaPo ( I think?) he wrote a bunch of talking points against VPW. She's gonna get her ass handed to her today
Oops, should read "she".
She wrote a hit piece on VPW for the REpugs
This is exciting me, j. I wanna see this wind up on the news like Watergate. Run, Waxman, Run.
Waxman ?ing Knodell on classification rules
Said that disclosure of classified info to Knodell ie VPW.
They have an OBLIGATION to report their fuck up, not cover up.
Indictments are coming.
I can smell it
knodell said the "L" word.
before my tenure...?
Knodell backs down, says that Admin did not report anything, contravention of rules, or laws whatever
Rove is toast. Got him by name
Waxman is teh pimp
Rove is toast. They just got him by name, and showed that no report of disclosure was filed.
Jenise said...
hey, waiting. don't know how long i'll be able to stomach this, but i'll hang in there as long as i can.
tonid, who's victoria toe?
March 16, 2007 9:23 AM
She's a republican flak, a lawyer, used to be a prosecutor and is married to another past prosecutor. They became famous because they were on all the time during the OJ Simpson trial.
Her name is Victoria Toensing.
Okay... this James Knodell... does he know anything? At all?
No action taken against Rove for leaking and then not filing a report.
Davis whining about not getting enough notice
Holy christ, I hope the news feeds are running this live. This is DAMNING.
I am SO getting drunk tonight
They are very methodically showing that Rove et all are guilty of classification violations, and after action duties. Waxman has done his homework.
Davis desperately trying to find an out for the Admin.
Water carrier
thanks, tonid, waiting.
last i looked CNN international was running larry king...yep.
Davis called this a political show
He's quite obviously grasping
They are revisiting the fact that the law was quite obviously broken with regard to classified disclosure handling
no report
no investigation
no sanctions
thanks for all the crack work, fella...
Davis looked just like William H. Macey in Fargo!
Nervous, scared and clueless!
a breach on top of a breach...i like that.
Just showed that the HWite House didn't even care enough to investigate.
NO WAY OUT, Rover
We have a cabinet filled with "Brownies"!!!
yes, rove would've had a duty to report a breach. hell, yes.
knodell reminds me of sargent schultz. i know nothing, i see nothing...
Brief aside:
Some of my favorite blogging happening here lately.
Thanks to all!
Thanks to all!
March 16, 2007 9:46 AM
yer walkin' thunder, there
Money says Leonard and Knodell are gonme inside a week. Time to spend more time with the family.
ROFL
I have such a wicked evil grin on my face right now
Got Impeachment?
you see the "got impeachment?" sign raised?
Someone shouted it out also
"Got impeachment"?!
have completely impeached these guys' credibilty. This leads to WH, OVP, Et all
no-dell
no-do
no-job
No investigations. WHat. SO. EVER.
This Knodell is squirming right now. Ba Bye Knodell!!
it's gone WAY beyond politics
they have a DUTY to IMPEACH now
Knodell has wilted.
Watson states that Knodell in dereliction of duty. Further investiggations called for
WaitingForCicero said...
have completely impeached these guys' credibilty. This leads to WH, OVP, Et all
March 16, 2007 9:49 AM
Also to the DOJ! Ashcroft and Gonzales!
An explicit dereliction of duty... you go, girl!
i smell flop-sweat
Whatever, j. You know how I feel about the white men getting a time out. No worries about him being a dsigrace to everyone in my gender.
i correct myself: she kicks lots of ass.
now that knodell looks like he's going to cry, i feel a little sorry for him...just a tiny, tiny bit.
knodell may be heavily medicated, he seems out of it...or maybe that's what they liked about him.
i know, waiting. still, decorum and all ;)
he'll review it with "senior management"...who is "senior management"?! he's the executive director. i guess he means bush and cheney?
Knodell definition of scapegoat. He's done.
this is 3 and a 1/2 yrs late...should have started in August of 03
You're right bibi! He's got the Deer in the Headlights look.
Bill Leonard is more practiced in lying for the WH.
Knodell's office doesn't do much, does it?
they talked about yanking Rove's sec clearance...NEVER DONE!
wow, they really have done their homework. bringing in abu ghraib and security disclosures...
; )
Gotcha
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Showing that the guy wholleaked the Abu Ghraib pics lost security clearance, but Rover didn't, neither did Ari
toniD said...
You're right bibi! He's got the Deer in the Headlights look.
..a deer shot fulla dilaudid and dropped in a mall parking lot
hey, gbc. this is an extra bouncy friday, no?
Sam, this should've happened on the real blog. T^his is a moment you should have preserved in a better form than this. Plus, I'm killin' this thread.
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Thanks bibi!
Waxman personally blames Pres.
(cue Law and Order music)
Somewhere...Ron Rhubarb is
getting GOOD WOOD...if he's watching this!
this guy is career? not appointed by the president? so he really just slept through his job?
anybody know why knodells predecessor, jeffry thompson (?) left. did he attempt to investigate and get thrown out?
They're roasting him nice and slow. Kailua pork style, baby.
"you're gonna go back and talk to yourself?"
WaitingForCicero said...
Sam, this should've happened on the real blog. T^his is a moment you should have preserved in a better form than this. Plus, I'm killin' this thread.
---
Thanks bibi!
WTC, we are all helping ou kill this thread. And yes, this should have been on the regular blog. I agree.
But this is fun and more like the blog used to be.
Quick, pass the buck, Knodell. There's plenty to go around.
ROFL
im trying to establish what use you are
Doubletalk on top of doubletalk makes gobbledeegook!
Hell yes it is, toni! : )
Having such a blast!
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discussing declassification of NIE
showing it's an unparalleled occurance
Particularly the selectivity of declas
But this is fun and more like the blog used to be.
March 16, 2007 10:03 AM
i agree, tonid. nice here tonight.
good question, blah, blah, blah. call waxman's office and tell them you want to find that out. couldn't hurt.
But this is fun and more like the blog used to be.
March 16, 2007 10:03 AM
i agree, tonid. nice here tonight.
good question, blah, blah, blah. call waxman's office and tell them you want to find that out. couldn't hurt.
Vid clip WH press conference Scott Mcclellan:
Scotty says neither Abrams or Rove did not disclose anything, they assured him they weren'y involved AT ALL
oh good god, it's the ghost of mccellan
"WHY does Rove still have a security clearance."
Watson
shut him down, eleanor
he hasn't seen the actual reports?! he's reading the newspaper to decide who should have clearance?
blah blah blah said...
anybody know why knodells predecessor, jeffry thompson (?) left. did he attempt to investigate and get thrown out?
March 16, 2007 10:02 AM
Knowing Waxman, he's got someone out looking for this man.
Norton shows that the CSo didn't do it's fucking job at all
hey, gbc. this is an extra bouncy friday, no?
~-~-~
Oh, yes indeedy, j!
Where's my Double D and my watermelons?
Oops, Norton, not Watson.
Gonna have a second round, and then another panel
it's the ghost of mccellan
March 16, 2007 10:11 AM
a trail of perspiration and crisco behind him
2nd round?
knodell strongly objects
Newest kos thread liveblogging
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/3/16/13920/7476
sixth thread, we are taxing kos' servers
if anyone's not streaming c-span, you really should. the looks on some of these congressmen's faces are priceless.
the looks on Knodell's face is even better.
Waxman cited the Daily Show.
Go Jon!
Showing that this is a broader pattern within the administration. Shows that Knodell is truly incompetent. Waxman speaking.
Where's my Double D and my watermelons?
March 16, 2007 10:14 AM
hope you brought the vodka, too. ; )
tonid, during watergate, were the hearings televised live on the three main channels back then? or was it something that happened in congress and the public read about as reported?
Davis trying to play this as partisanship. Spin, spin, spin. Not working.
Waxman said that another security breach was Woodward's book. Woodward was allowed to sit in on security meetings. (That's when they liked him).
He asked Knodell if he did anything about Woodward. No.
the looks on Knodell's face is even better.
March 16, 2007 10:19 AM
that makes me kind of sad, but it's a genetic failing that runs in my family.
"you haven't thought that through?"
PBS carried Wateregate, didn't they?
tom davis is going to give diet coke a bad name.
all he seems able to do is to try and spin. he hasn't asked one good question yet.
Makes me sad, too. It has to be done, though. You don't cure an infection by allowing it to fester in dank, dark places.
Leonard seems to be helping the Dems with his answers.
i'm just saying said...
Somewhere...Ron Rhubarb is
getting GOOD WOOD...if he's watching this!
March 16, 2007 10:02 AM
:)
you're right, waiting. just a reflexive reaction on my part. i will definitely get over it.
Norton asks: Can you explain why Mr. Rove still has a security clearance today or does he? Yes, he does. It is Mr. Knodell's understanding that the criminal investigation found no criminal wrongdoing. (CHS asks: do these people even READ the SF-312? or the executive order covering this?)
Does the security of the United States depend upon the outcome of a criminal proceeding, or do you not have an affirmative duty to proceed on these issues regardless of the criminal proceedings? Shouldn't you plug the leak while the US attorney and investigators are trying to find out "who done it?"
Second round of questioning begins with Rep. Elijah Cummings. The requirements are that the disclosure is prohibited for both willful AND negligent disclosures. Has Mr. Rove or anyone else been briefed since this disclosure happened with regard to any of these regulations? Knodell says people with clearance get a copy of the regs when they are given clearance, and then they are given briefings on their anniversary date every year. And they got some special briefings after this disclosure of Ms. Wilson's identity for all the EOP employees with clearance — but this particular disclosure was not highlighted as a problematic reason for the briefings.
1:20 pm ET:
Rep. Waxman goes into the Woodward discussion of having extensive access to classified information when covering the WH in his books. Points out that when a critic discloses anything critical of the Administration, there is an immediate outcry from the WH. But when they disclose information, it is well within their purview to do so, according to the WH. This approach is inconsistent — and appears to be political in their approach to enforcement.
On to Rep. Davis, who is complaining about the selective leaking of the NIE, the facilities in Eastern Europe (so-called balck sites), and so on. Neither witness has any first-hand knowledge as to whether anyone in the WH did or did not have first hand knowledge of Ms. Wilson's covert status.
On to Rep. Van Hollen — looks like we know why the WH had no information on the leak — because no investigation was ever done. If the criminal investigation hadn't been started at that point, and it had not, there was no competing problem for starting an investigation. Mr. Leonard says that yes, an internal investigation should have immdeiately been begun — it is an affirmative obligation under security regs.
From firedoglake
They are treating him like a an ignorant schoolboy who's forgotten his lessons.
Break out the flow charts again!
you're doing a heckuva job knodell...
makes you wonder if the biggest question on his mind this morning was what suit would look good on tv.
jesus, knodell..
what are we paying u 4??
Norton calls him the fall guy
Hee! Holmes just called Knodell the fall guy.
crank bait, so it was like the OJ simpson trial? just wondering what the feeling in the country during watergate was. can you compare it to now, crank?
i really thought knodell was going to cry.
Victoria, a former Senate staffer?
V-toe already has a smug look on her face.
Zaid and Toensig up.
Sworn
Start with Zaid. Intros
i had to take the dog out to go pee on the bushes. who is mark zaid?
Well, that pretty much explains BushCo...
I don't know... we don't have that information.. We didn't know... we shoulda coulda woulda, but... that was before my time...
Jesus H Christ.
They just cannot spin their way out of this. Damn good job, Dems!
Skewer 'em.
Back in a bit, have a mission at kos
hey, alice.
man, that's one red tie.
new thread is open
Zaid looks a little like Colbert
Toensing?!
roast this wench!
Anonymous said...
rocky rococo said...
Has anyone seen my script?
audrey farber has it.
Nancy!
Hi Sam,
We just now got a chance to read the archives with your open letter to Big Ed. Since we live in the suburbs east of Seattle, we have poor AM reception for KPTK 1090. So we purchased 2 XM radios to listen exclusively to Air America. It angers us greatly that Ed Schultz, who is no progressive, would be put on XM instead of Thom Hartmann, who is one or our favorite talkshow hosts. The last time we endured Mr. Schultz was when he ranted against the victims of Katrina for not leaving the city before the storm. Ignorance and arrogance are a bad combination -- as Mr. Bush demonstrates daily.
We're wondering if the Green brothers will be taking up this issue with XM since in our opinion it does a grave disservice to Air America in general and tarnishes the brand image. We are very close to closing our XM accounts especially since XM has now taken Thom off even in re-runs on the weekends. Would you advise us to write to the Green brothers and how would we contact them?
We love your program. Thanks for being there.
-Dave & Pam
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