Thursday, April 12, 2007

Thursday: Hi, Senator

We welcome a real, genuine U.S. Senator to the show today, in the form of the great Russ Feingold, Democrat from Wisconsin. We'll ask him if he's bummed that he's not the father of Anna Nicole's baby. But we're not stopping with Senator Feingold, we've got an action packed show for you today. We'll have blogger Atrios, John Amato from Crooks and Liars, Katrina vanden Heuvel from The Nation, and "Senator" Katherine Harris. What a freakin' show! Get down on your hands and knees and thank the heavens for this one. And the next one. Cause that's all there is left.

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jenn said...

Hi Sam,
Sorry about the show going off the air. I wrote something in my blog that I hope you will read sometime when and if you ever get the chance.

Much love and best wishes for the new show on Sundays.

jenn

Ajata said...

April 11, 2007 -- Guest article from across the pond.

BRITISH CRIMINAL COLD WAR GERM EXPERIMENTS

By T Stokes

In the early 1970s the English Channel was the busiest area for shipping traffic in the world, and would often be used by various nations for testing defense initiatives. One night we had a senior British intelligence officer on board who waited until the wind was blowing toward the British coast, then got the lids off three large metal containers so the fine dust would be taken across to shore. Suddenly, excitement broke loose as we saw some strange experimental craft, these were very low in the water, camouflaged and fast and almost invisible to the naked eye, but silent. We watched and about 10 in all went past some distance away at high speed.

From our own analysis, we thought these were low troop carriers where men would crawl in and lay down side by side with about 30-40 men to a craft. The worry was this may be Soviet exercise, but subsequently we were told it was that of an E.E.C member country. Using this as a diversion we rummaged the papers of the intelligence man, who would spy on us, and in turning the tables discovered that this was a Porton Down chemical gas experiment on its own people.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

toniD said...

Poll: Edwards closing
in on Obama
Edwards has closed the gap on Obama since Time polls taken earlier this year matched the top three Democratic candidates.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070412/ap_on_el_pr/poll2008_1

Drive by post!!

toniD said...

By the way, nice blog Jenn!!

Ajata said...

Like your blog jenn!

I want to take a look at it later regarding the books you sell.

GBC said...

GBC, More on my blog about this.

~-~-~

Toni, are you shamelessly plugging your blog again...?

*snark*

;-p

Anonymous said...

"NEWS CONSUMER" said...

Feds Bust 22 Drug Dealers In The Bronx

Anonymous said...

"NEWS CONSUMER" said...

Police identify woman found dead in bag under Bronx bridge

Anonymous said...

"NEWS CONSUMER" said...

Police executing warrant in Bronx body case

GBC said...

Well well well...

McCain campaign to cut back on staff

WASHINGTON - Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record)'s troubled presidential campaign is eliminating some non-senior staff positions and cutting some consultants' contracts.

...

The campaign dismissed the notion of mass layoffs, but it wouldn't quantify exactly how many jobs are affected. Some positions won't be filled as planned in May, and some consultants will be paid on a per-project basis.

Binky

From AMERICAblog: This doesn't sound like a campaign that's hitting on all cylinders.

Anonymous said...

"NEWS CONSUMER" said...

Staten Island racks up highest felony conviction rate

toniD said...

CBS Fired Imus, per CNN

toniD said...

Hi NC, Bye NC...

Off to work.

Later

GBC said...

Bill Maher: John McCain Fucked by the Republican Fantasy World

John McCain's not an idiot. I'm sure he knows that it's not safe in Baghdad, but he has to pretend that it's safe in Baghdad because that's what the GOP base wants to hear.

We keep hearing that a significant majority of Americans think the war was a mistake and want the troops out.

And that's true. But those figures are an average of all voters and are pretty deceptive, because most Republicans are still gung-ho about the war. In fact, two-thirds of likely GOP primary voters support what Bush is doing in Iraq. They support the surge. They've swallowed so much Kool-Aid that any change in their diet would kill them.

What this means is, every GOP candidate has to say the war is going great, whether they believe it or not, at least until the primaries are over. Giuliani's very rah-rah about the war, Romney doesn't like to talk about it, but then he has his own religious jihad to worry about. But none of them will be able to say anything other than "the surge is working," or "if we leave now things will get really bad" because the base won't stand for it. And this means they're going to look increasingly ridiculous and out-of-touch as the months go on. And there's no way they can "move to the middle" once the primary is over on an issue like this.

Fink

Anonymous said...

One show left. That has an odd feel. It is not real yet. I guess it won't be until next week. Then no Sam. I remember the very first show. No thoughts of endings then. It all felt like a natural progression. It felt like it would grow and go on for ever.

Anonymous said...

Sam was saved so many times, it seemed like his show would never end. And here we are. The eve of the last show. Losing the other shows was tough. But this feels like the end.

Anonymous said...

Mind the Gap!

"White House lost FIVE MILLION e-mails, CREW reveals"

Now that's a Gap you can drive an investigation through!


Here's the AmericaBlog read. the CREW site has gone down due to the traffic.

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2007/04/white-house-lost-five-million-e-mails.html

Anonymous said...

There really isn't anywhere to go from here. They have brought us to a dead end. Fired. Done. Over. Nothing left but an empty feeling.

Anonymous said...

"NEWS CONSUMER" said...

Hey toniD.

Ajata said...

-- CBS cancels Don Imus' radio show, effective immediately, after uproar over his racist and sexist comments about Rutgers women's basketball team.

Anonymous said...

what the hell! Sam it had to be sabotage- you are ahead of your time - to hell with the swine - just let me know if you want anyone waterboarded or legs broken!

Anonymous said...

I was ever so grateful when Sam's show replaced the timeslot occupied by Jerry Springer (Air America's version of Joe Liebermann!) and am disappointed to see him meet a similar fate (save for the Sunday Show). What did the new ownership find wanting about Sam's presentation? I'm glad the network was saved from bankruptcy by Mr. Green but the move has a creepy Corporate feeling about it. Best of luck, Sam!

A devoted listener from Portland, Maine on 870 The Voice

Anonymous said...

>Unemployment jumped to 324,000 last month. Per msnbc

This is hogwash. It only measures how many people are unemployed because their benefits ran out. It does not account for--

Those whose benefits ran out before they found new jobs

Those (usually women) who have gone back to being full time moms/dads because they were unable to find work

Those who have gone back to school with the hope of "learning new skills" and the assurance of more debt

Those who are underemployed, who have had to take lower paying or part time jobs

Those who had no choice but to work illegally often in dangerous or unhealthy conditions.

The real unemployment rate is probably closer to 20%

Alice said...

Has anyone heard anything from the Green people about Sam's show?

Even ONE response?

Alice said...

SJ!!!!

There's a boy here who wants either a free remote(radio) controlled airplane kit...or plans...I'm searching like crazy..he says he saw it on a website that we found the other day...but we can't find it again now...

I know it's a long shot...but if you happen to know of one..I Really want to help this kid...he's a smartie, fun boy...wants this a lot...

Alice said...

Air America Idiots

The incompetent idiotic management that drove Air America into bankruptcy have now been replaced by other incompetent idiotic management.

Tomorrow is the last show of the best program on radio, The Sam Seder Show. Sam is an incredibly funny and informative host, who actually did the impossible for me, which is make a radio show a must-listen. My mind-numbingly boring job was made a little less agonizing from 9-12, listening to his program. Air America, at least on XM radio, is now incredibly boring and not worth the money to renew my subscription anymore.

Air America has grown tremendously, so its hard to fathom why they've been such a financial failure. I would have to assume its just incompetent management, which dumping Sam Seder will only exacerbate.

....also, his book is great.

Posted by Media Czech
http://crazytalk.typepad.com/bluegrassroots/2007/04/air_america_idi.html

Anonymous said...

Janeane, Mark Maron, Mike Malloy, Marc Riley, and now Sam Seder. Will you guys please all get together and go with another station and continue the wonderful shows you broadcast for these too few years. I was happy when I heard that the Greens purchased AAR. I felt the heros had come to save it. I was wrong. May them and their sorry station get flushed down the toilet in the shortest possible time.
Randi!!! Get out now , while you can and join your brethern on a new station. Eileen M

Anonymous said...

The Green Brothers -

Their TRUE business ?

UNDERTAKERS!!!

Anonymous said...

Join NovaM.

Let's bury the Greens' Dream of more happy talk and gossip entertainment shows than American needs, wants, or will support.

I heard Mark Green say IT WASN'T ABOUT POLITICS, IT'S ABOUT ENTERTAINING RADIO.

Mark Green is CLUELESS about why AirAmerica was born.

Anonymous said...

How do I join Nova M? I have XM
but , except for Randi, there's not much point in continuing with XM.

Eileen M

Anonymous said...

I think green wants to get rid of the listeners he has now and move to the center. He doesn't want us at all. We can't hurt Green. Nothing we can do.

Unknown said...

Flying models magazine

Model airplane news

Model Aviation

probably the three most common magazines.

i could send him some plans if he's really desperate.

what airplane was it?

what were his search entries?

buy him a pencil to take notes.

give him my phone number.

tell him to send me his if he wants to talk to a champion model airplane builder.

Anonymous said...

The only reason I went "Premium" again was to support the network that had Sam Seder.

Can I get my money back?

Unknown said...

eya MB!

dunno on the refund.

peeps were talking about it on the really long thread this week.

http://www2.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1260223047421551014&postID=2638246959327914532&isPopup=true

Anonymous said...

I can't believe they'd replace Sam with Lionel. We got stuck with Lionel after Air America let Malloy go. Every time I listen to that show all I can envision is that episode of South Park "Smug Alert" (the one where the "perfect storm" of smugness was heading from Clooney's Oscar speech in LA to South Park.) This guy is who gives the rightwing blowhards fuel for their fire in attacking "elite" liberals.

Henry Rollins, now there's our answer to Michael Savage.

Anonymous said...

Morning Sam..

Smile..

Freedom is right around the corner..!!!

Just think how great it will be to wake up and have a whole world of possibilities..

It's gonna be great..

It's almost time to Get Happy!

Well, one show left to go...

Too bad Janeane wouldn't leave Sam alone..

Sam might just have made it on his own..

Janeane is the kiss of death..

Another lesson learned the hard way...

There is nothing wrong with Sam except that he would not listen to me..

I told him not to piss folks off..

I told him NO CRAZY TALK..

I told Sam to court his Advertisers..

Instead Janeane made fun of the Commercials and said there were too many...!!

Good Lord..!!!

Sam thing is happening to Sam..

Once the Advertisers give up on you....

You're toast..!!!

April 12, 2007 12:39 PM

Unknown said...

left over pizza for lunch.

jax is haelping me get rid of any excess pizza.

Anonymous said...

Sam: I am so sorry you will no longer have a daily show, you were the major reason I continued my "Premium" membership. You're a great interviewer and the way you expressed your reasons for being a liberal will always inspire me. Thank you so much!

Barb

Anonymous said...

Sam's on Olbermann Now!

Anonymous said...

SEDER IS ON OLBERMAN

Anonymous said...

What did Seder say on Olbermann?

Unknown said...

SUGAR!!!!

Can someone post what Sam discussed on Olberman's show? I'm going to see if I can program the vcr to record the 12am repeat.

.

Anonymous said...

Can someone post what Sam discussed on Olberman's show? I'm going to see if I can program the vcr to record the 12am repeat.

.

April 12, 2007 8:43 PM


He discussed Imus' firing. He thinks that it is justified. He also believes that the people who monitor kkkons such as Michael Savage and Rush Limbaugh will scrutinize their words closer.

Unknown said...

m,
thanx.

"peaces!"
;-)

.

Anonymous said...

Just sent this to Keith Olbermann's show for what it's worth:


Dear Mr. Olbermann,

We found it terribly ironic that you had Sam Seder on your show tonight to discuss the firing of Don Imus. Did you have any idea that Sam Seder just lost his own radio program, "The Sam Seder Show?" His last show is tomorrow (4/13/2007.) Despite good radio and web streaming ratings and not losing any affiliates, the new management at Air America has decided to "go in a new direction." Again.
We are devastated that he's being dumped.
Perhaps it was a conscious decision on either your part or Sam's to not bring up his own dismissal for whatever reasons.
If that's not the case, it sure would have been nice for you to mention that Sam's show was also ending.
You clearly appreciate and value progressive and intelligent voices like Sam Seder and Rachel Maddow. We hope you continue to have Sam Seder on your show in the future.
Thanks very much,
Doris Maat and Robert Milgrom

Anonymous said...

honestly, i hardly ever blog here, just read everyone else's posts, but i am so going to miss all of you :( just wanted to let you know that, although Air America may be deleting angry posts, there are alot of them here! Ho9pe he 'lands' on MSNBC or NovaM.

http://watchingthewatchers.org/news/1210/air-america-dumps-sam-seders-morning-show

Ajata said...

Sam was on Olbermann??!!

Damn. I just missed it!

Ajata said...

Cavuto: "[A] ho is a ho, right?"

http://mediamatters.org/items/200704130001

On the April 12 edition of Fox News' Your World, while discussing the controversy surrounding radio host Don Imus' recent remarks, host Neil Cavuto asked rapper M-1, one half of the group Dead Prez, "[A] ho is a ho, right?" Cavuto added: "So, if Imus uses the expression and then you use the expression, you've both said 'ho.' " He later said, "So, there's nothing wrong with Imus saying it, right?" On the April 4 edition of Imus in the Morning, which was then produced by CBS Radio and simulcast on MSNBC, Imus referred to the Rutgers University women's basketball team as "nappy-headed hos."

Cavuto also called Imus' remark "an errant comment" and "a badly phrased comment." However, as Media Matters for America has noted, Imus' comment was part of a pattern of racial smears on Imus in the Morning.

From the April 12 edition of Fox News' Your World with Neil Cavuto:

CAVUTO: M-1, I know that this is not your parent company, but NBC Universal owns Interscope Records, which has, under its employ, a lot of rap artists who routinely say stuff like you've just said and worse. And, NBC is OK with that, not OK with Don Imus making an errant comment. Do you find that, just as an artist, hypocritical?

M-1: No, I don't find it hypocritical mainly because of our relationship to the system -- our relationship with our oppressor. Once again, with personal responsibility taken at hand here, we're talking about rappers who are coerced to say things other than what the reality of our community is and Mr. Imus, who obviously has said sentiments that come from his personal beliefs. I think you are comparing apples and oranges here even when you bring the rap community into the question. And once --

CAVUTO: No, you know, M-1, I don't think I am. I mean, a ho is a ho, right? So, if Imus uses the expression and then you use the expression, you've both said "ho."

M-1: Well, no, I don't --

CAVUTO: Well, you've both said it. So, now, you're saying --

M-1: No, I don't use "ho."

CAVUTO: All right, so --

M-1: I don't say "ho." And that's my point exactly. And even the word "ho" existed way before 1976, when rap began. "Ho" is a relationship between the pimp and the pimper, the pimpee, if it may. And so --

CAVUTO: So, there's nothing wrong with Imus saying it, right?

M-1: Well, of course --

CAVUTO: And there's nothing wrong then with rappers -- unlike yourself -- saying it, right?

M-1: Well, of course there's something wrong with both of those relationships. However, what governs that relationship is the historical relationship of oppression between black people and our white oppressors in this country, and that's not a racist statement, that's the reality that we live in.

CAVUTO: But Don Imus wasn't oppressing you or anyone else. He made a mistaken -- maybe a badly phrased comment. He's lost a job on the air as a result of it. You can continue to make pretty, you know, outlandish comments for art, whatever you want to call it. It just doesn't seem right. Does it seem right to you?

War Dog said...

Last Show Eve..

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Not really as Sad ending though..

This will be better for Sam..

And he might still do the Sunday thing..

But once you start moving on..

You tend to keep moving on..

You find better things and get enthused about the new opportunities..

One day a week isn't a job it is a hobby..

War Dog said...

I would have thought there would be more traffic here tonight..

Last big party and all..

Maybe they will come in later..

War Dog said...

Now I wonder..

Will Lionel get Sam's slot on XM as well..??

I suppose he will..

And what about the 92 stations Lionel is heard on now..

Will he keep those..??

War Dog said...

And Nova M is going to XM..

Are they going to merge into the the AAR channel 167..??

Or will they get a channel of their own..??

War Dog said...

IF Green is on a move to the Center..

What will Randi's future be I wonder..

I would think she would be next on the bubble..

I guess they will wait and see if Ad Sales increase with just the moves they have made..

Anonymous said...

Why is everybody so down on Sam's three hour Sunday show? That's a pretty good forum. He just has to get huge listener numbers that advertisers can't ignore. Tim Russert only has one hour a week, and he manages to make a full job out of it. In a way it might be better for Sam because he can put more time into it (if it pays enough). Let's just get as many people listening to it as we can.

War Dog said...

You know Green will be watching the books every week now..

When the Payroll starts coming out of your Personal Checking Account..

You gonna give it your full attention..

Ajata said...

Couric's "Notebook" rehashed debunked Obama rumors

http://mediamatters.org/items/200704130003

In the April 12 edition of her "Notebook" video blog, CBS Evening News anchor Katie Couric asked, "Is America ready to elect a president who grew up praying in a mosque?" and proceeded to repeat debunked rumors surrounding Sen. Barack Obama's (D-IL) childhood years in Indonesia.

****

Hahaha!

Are you kdding?

Talk about overpaid and totally done...

Stick a fork in Katie couric.

War Dog said...

I think Sam's Sunday show will depend on what kind of Real job Sam gets..

Three hours a week on radio is not going to pay the bills at home..

And Sam is known to keep multiple project going at once..

There is good chance the Sunday show will become an afterthought once Sam gets back into circulation...

Ajata said...

Savage called Media Matters "a gay smear sheet," CEO David Brock "a psychopath"

http://mediamatters.org/items/200704120012

On the April 11 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage referred to Media Matters for America as "a gay smear sheet" and called Media Matters President and CEO David Brock "a psychopath in my opinion, who hates me." Savage read from an April 14, 2006, Media Matters item, which noted that Savage called the woman who alleged she was raped by Duke University lacrosse team members a "Durham dirtbag" and a "dirty, verminous black stripper," and that he also said, "This is the radical, feminist, lesbian agenda being acted out on our campuses in a witch-hunt manner against these white boys, very much like the socialist communist agenda being acted out on the American stage by the extras called the illegal aliens." After reading his previous comments, Savage stated: "That's me. I am proud to tell you I agree with every word that I said a year ago." Savage claimed that Media Matters "ought to apologize to me" -- presumably because of the April 11 decision to drop the sexual assault charges in the Duke case.

****

I think it was great that CAA refused to represent Savage (aka Weiner) after his remarks.

This guy is a true psychotic.

Ajata said...

Apparently defending Imus, Dietl hammered at Obama's middle name

http://mediamatters.org/items/200704130004

On the April 12 edition of Fox News' The Big Story with John Gibson, Richard "Bo" Dietl, a private investigator and former New York City Police Department detective, repeatedly referred to Sen. Barack Obama's (D-IL) middle name while discussing controversial comments by Don Imus on the April 4 edition of Imus in the Morning. Referring to Obama's call for Imus to be fired, Dietl, who was a regular guest on Imus' program, stated: "Obama Hussein. Barack Obama -- what's that guy's name? The three names? The full name?" Fox News business correspondent Rebecca Gomez answered, "Oh, I'm not even sure," and Dietl said: "Hussein. Hussein's his middle name."

Ajata said...

It's not just Imus

http://mediamatters.org/items/200704120010

On April 11, NBC News announced that it was dropping MSNBC's simulcast of Imus in the Morning in the wake of the controversy that erupted over host Don Imus' reference to the Rutgers University women's basketball team as "nappy-headed hos." The following day, CBS president and CEO Leslie Moonves announced that CBS -- which owns both the radio station that broadcast Imus' program and Westwood One, which syndicated the program -- has fired Imus and would cease broadcasting his radio show. But as Media Matters for America has extensively documented, bigotry and hate speech targeting, among other characteristics, race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, and ethnicity continue to permeate the airwaves through personalities such as Glenn Beck, Neal Boortz, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, Michael Smerconish, and John Gibson.

@whut said...

Sammy,
Please, please take the Imus spot and kick him in the nuts if he tries to go satellite on us.

Unknown said...

Why is everybody so down on Sam's three hour Sunday show? That's a pretty good forum. He just has to get huge listener numbers that advertisers can't ignore. Tim Russert only has one hour a week, and he manages to make a full job out of it. In a way it might be better for Sam because he can put more time into it (if it pays enough). Let's just get as many people listening to it as we can."


yup, good thinking.

as far as the blog goes, sam is keeping er alive, so he's open to suggestions.

Anonymous said...

Not much traffic?

There's plenty of traffic. It's steering clear of the reckless fool.

Unknown said...

Sams gonna do diaries i believe.

that opens up new riffs and specialties.

i'm hoping he'll let me have some archival space, or room for linked rants. lots of functionality a click away with any good blog program. love to see him get going with something secure and reliable and free like phpbb.

Anonymous said...

"There's plenty of traffic. It's steering clear of the reckless fool."

This is true.

toniD said...

Evening all!

Saw on CNN that Imus is meeting with the Rutgers girls now.

Yech, Tom Delay is on A. Cooper's show debating Imus. This is a left wing Liberal conspiracy don't you know! He's Debaring Rev. Sharpton.

Unknown said...

eya crnkr!

i think we otter get sam to establish a bloggie theatre group.

what to call it though...

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't worry about Randi. She's Clear Channel's liberal goose that lays golden eggs. I'd be more concerned about Rachel. Recently my local radio station took off both Ecotalk and Ring of Fire. When I called to complain I was told that Ecotalk is going to be cancelled by Air America and Ring of Fire's future was uncertain. Guess what they replaced both shows with. More Lionel. Ugh.

Bobby Kennedy, Mike Pap, NOVA M needs a good weekend show!

toniD said...

I can't wait to see Olbermann tonight. The repeat is on at 11 PM here. And I am sure C&L will get the video if not tomorrow on countdown.

Is there a way to save that video?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
April 12, 2007 10:09 PM

I'm only slightly surprised. The slaughter has yet to play out completely. The Greens wanted to fire Randi, but as you've indicated, someone intervened. I hate Rhodes, so I don't care. However, I fear that in one year, AAR will be almost unrecognizable. The Greens want to redo the whole thing.

Alice said...

Sunshine said...

April 12, 2007 7:12 PM

Thanks SJ...!

I ended up finding him some plans...what I revlly want is to find him a "kid sized" radio controlled airplane...I might just end up buying him one..

I would have him talk to you, but he's only like 10, & his parents are never with him...But I will ask him if he has questions & will pass them on to you if he does..

Thank you.... :)

Unknown said...

eya Toni!

how did ya do today?

pretty dam interesting upbloggie.

enjoying Kurt Vonnegut bits and stories here and there.

think the gang is recovering from being shocked and pissed off somewhat.

a real shitload of new posters, and old old frinds popping out of the woodwork.

think the next time we move to another bloghold we get sam to get us an energy efficient turreted victorian mansion with a huge shop.

Unknown said...

yup good work!

simple gliders are the best way to start.

lets you crash fairly cheaply while yer learning to trim them for flight.

as far as talking to him i'd be glad to teach him thru the library.

i'll pay for the phone calls. we could do a conference call.

i do "Flight school for begineers"
in grade schools and have school and teacher references.

Anonymous said...

Tom DeLay? Isn't he supposed to in prison?

Anonymous said...

catharine,

I don't have a dog in this fight. I am just an observer.

Recently I spoke to a friend my thoughts on the fallout that might occur as a result of the Imus cock-up.

I cited the brief Limbaugh football commentating career and Jimmy the Greek's ill-received comments among others as past examples.

I wonder if the current Joe Pyne wannabee hate speakers and Shock Jocks will be in the cross-hairs?

If so, it couldn't happen to a not-very-much-nicer bunch of parasites.

SNL skits and satire and sarcasm are one thing. One-shtick, overpaid and overrated, non-contributors to the common good are something else.

I am not nor have been an Imus fan (nor a Stern fan), though I find them both to be relatively harmless.

Limbaugh and his ilk are different. They claim to be political analysts until pressed, when they claim to be "entertainers".

They cannot be both. SNL and other satire venues never claim to be speakers of truth.

Limbaugh does. His genre does.

I don't know enough about Imus and Stern to say, absolutely, that they don't claim to be anything more than Morning Zoo schlock jocks. I only know that Limbaugh and his ilk DO claim to be offering more than mere entertainment.

Anonymous said...

dvr'ed KO. What a surprise, and oh what irony.

Questions from KO to SAM:

So is Don Imus's career over?

If he wanted to continue, could he?

Is there something about this situation that you and other people who are on the radio everyday are going to be thinking about in th econtext of what happened to Imus?

Unknown said...

mainly though,

modelers in general are entertaining good natured folks to know, and we love getting folks involved in the hobby.

the foam electric RC planes are under $50. the only good ones though are at the hobby shops. toy store ones can be a real disapointment. best to introduce him to the local RC club and they'll probably have someone willing to teach him how to fly it safely and without too much crashing.

make him work for any goodies.

it's better that way.

makes it worth

something...

Ajata said...

I agree that Imus is not the worst of them, but all in all, I am still glad it happened.

He is part of a culture that thinks it is just fine to think and talk like that.

I wish it had been Limbaugh more than anyone else, but ... c'est la vie...

I think that the universe must have something else in store for Limbaugh...

Who am I to make the final judgment? Universal justice is more ... "just".. than the justice that we humans usually have in mind.

interesting that all these people, including Imus will have to wrestle with the "why me?"... I, Imus, am not such a bad guy... as he kept saying over and over ...

yes, Imus... you actually did some pretty bad things... some day you will have to own up to them ... if only to yourself... and it will never be acceptable to simply say.... "but that other guy is worse...."

Unknown said...

eya shell

how's p doing? give em my best.

toniD said...

White House says it will not turn over RNC emails. The Politico reports:

White House Counsel Fred Fielding, in a letter today, told Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) and Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), chairmen of the House and Senate Judiciary committees, that the White House has not budged in its refusal to allow the panels to question several White House aides, including Karl Rove, about what they know regarding the firing of eight U.S. Attorneys, moving the two sides closer to a constitutional battle over the scandal.

Fielding also appears to be trying to head off an attempt by Conyers to obtain e-mails and documents from the Republican National Committee regarding the firings. … Fielding also said that “it was and remains our intention to collect e-mails and documents from those [RNC-controlled] accounts as well as the official White House e-mail and document retention systems” as part of a broader deal with the two committees on staffer testimony.

In a response statement, Conyers was unmoved: “the Judiciary Committee intends to obtain the relevant emails directly from the RNC. The White House position seems to be that executive privilege not only applies in the Oval Office, but to the RNC as well. There is absolutely no basis in law or fact for such a claim.”

LINK

GBC said...

Doris Maat and Robert Milgrom

~-~-~

That was very nice. I've enjoyed Rachel on Countdown as well. I always watch Olbermann, and I had no idea Sam was gonna be on today. The irony, eh?

...

Sam looked good, too. Me thinks he finally got a haircut!

Looking at tomorrow's show with a tinge of sadness but trying to think positively about the upcoming show and H-O-P-E-F-U-L-L-Y the revamped bloggie...

ya SAM, don't forget that promise!

g'night

Anonymous said...

Sunny J: "best to introduce him to the local RC club and they'll probably have someone willing to teach him how to fly it safely and without too much crashing."
----------------------------
Teach him? Hell, they'll either give or sell him (cheap) something to learn the ropes with.

Clubbers live for the day that a neophyte walks up and says, "How does this work?"

Masters love to see an apprentice go down in flames. It validates all of the time and experience that they have accumulated en route to becoming Masters.

GBC said...

Leaked Rahm memo tells House Dems to hold firm against Bush on Iraq

by John Aravosis (DC) · 4/12/2007 07:52:00 PM ET

See, and you all thought Rahm was evil. (He is, of course, but he's our evil.) More from TPM Muckraker.

Ajata said...

Leaked Rahm memo tells House Dems to hold firm against Bush on Iraq

by John Aravosis (DC) · 4/12/2007 07:52:00 PM ET

See, and you all thought Rahm was evil. (He is, of course, but he's our evil.) More from TPM Muckraker.

April 12, 2007 10:46 PM

****

I dunno...

He's at arm's length... he has to a LOT more to prove himself....

Unknown said...

gadammitt crnkr don't give away the plot!

take em to the hobby shop first and get a load of the price tags...

then he'll be really blown away when he meets the local balsa bashers.

War Dog said...

Where is Nobs..

There must be a Nobody on the last night..

I know he out there..

Lurking..

Moving from tree to tree in the dark..

Time is short..

War Dog said...

Alice look up Buddy Wires...

and RC Simulators...

You can practice on Microsoft Flight Simulator in the out of the cockpit mode..

Then you can skip rebuilding the plane..

War Dog said...

Look out Crazy Talkers..

He comes Sharpton..!!!!

Run..!!!!!

=========================================================================================================


SHARPTON VOWS MORE: 'It is our feeling that this is only the beginning. We must have a broad discussion on what is permitted and not permitted in terms of the airwaves'...

Ajata said...

O'Reilly "Worst Person" for comments about VA Beach mayor; Morris runner-up

http://mediamatters.org/items/200704120007

On the April 11 edition of MSNBC's Countdown, host Keith Olbermann named Fox News host Bill O'Reilly the "winner" of his nightly "Worst Person in the World" segment for comments O'Reilly made about Virginia Beach Mayor Meyera Oberndorf on the April 6 edition of his nationally syndicated radio program. Olbermann said of O'Reilly: "He not only called the mayor of that city ... quote, 'limited in her intellectual capacity,' but added, quote, 'She should be home baking pies.' As Media Matters for America documented, O'Reilly made his comments during a discussion about a March 30 automobile accident in Virginia Beach, which resulted in the deaths of two teenage girls, reportedly at the hands of an illegal immigrant who said he had been drinking the night of the accident. Olbermann also observed that O'Reilly "returned to the tragedy in New York, in which he said the kids in the Bronx all burned to death because the city, the sanctuary city of New York, doesn't regulate how many people you can cram into a slum."

*****

I am starting to think that O'reilly is 3 sheets to the wind... if he is not ... he must be shitting bricks about the Imus firings.

War Dog said...

Is Ass-babies Crazy Talk..??

I should have made of list of The Crazy Talk..

That would have been funny...

And telling..

Ajata said...

MSNBC's Crawford on the worst of Imus: "I ... tuned a lot of it out"

http://mediamatters.org/items/200704120008

On the April 12 edition of MSNBC News Live, MSNBC political analyst Craig Crawford said that he had appeared on the Imus in the Morning program "nearly 70 [times] in the last three years" and asserted: "[I]f more people had listened to the whole context of this man's show, they would see a broader picture." On the April 4 edition of Imus in the Morning, Imus referred to the Rutgers University women's basketball team as "nappy-headed hos" after executive producer Bernard McGuirk called the team "hard-core hos." As Media Matters for America documented, Imus' remark was part of a long history of racial slurs made on the show by him, his guests, and regular contributors.

****

So, just wondering... I didn't hear if anything happened to Imus' producer, McGuirk.

Unknown said...

Alice look up Buddy Wires...

and RC Simulators...

You can practice on Microsoft Flight Simulator in the out of the cockpit mode..

Then you can skip rebuilding the plane..""

yup good advice once he gets into it A.!

he needs a fairly good transmitter eventually and then those proggies are great for learning.

Casey Buck said...

KPOJ 620 in Portland, OR is having to change their lineup AGAIN, after Sam's demotion. Sounds like they were pretty ticked off at Air America.

More at: http://www.620kpoj.com/pages/pages/lineup_evolution.php

Anonymous said...

To all of the lefty regulars on this blog....

Thank you for everything!

I love you all very much!

I will miss all of you!

Goodbye.

23

Unknown said...

eya dogger,

you allowed to take a break and act normal?

War Dog said...

Funny how my long predicted Crazy Talk Crisis all came to a head on so many fronts all in one week..

Bill O'reily swore he would renew his attack on rap music tonight..

Ha ha ha ha ha..

This is gonna be funny..

Well not for Sam...

Sam don't think it's a bit funny..

But in truth Sam is a reformed Crazy Talker..

Alice said...

So I hear that abc changed the name o ugly betty to the beautiful world of ugly betty...wow...attack of the pc police?

Unknown said...

well 23 we ain't going anywhere...

the blog will remain, drop in every once and while and let us know what's happening to you.

and thanks for the loves! Backatcha!

Unknown said...

eya Casey,

welcome and thanx for the post!

War Dog said...

Normal as I can be Jimmy..

I often think of going back to RC..

But it take a lot of time and money..

If I had a someone to build I would go back and fly..

I used to buy everything and let the builder do his thing..

Then we would go out and fly it..

RC planes make a remarkable sound as they hit the ground straight in..

And the money flies out of you wallet at same time..!!!

Ajata said...

Kurdistan’s Covert Back-Channels
How an ex-Mossad chief, a German uberspy, and a gaggle of top-dollar GOP lobbyists helped Kurdistan snag 15 tons of $100 bills.

Laura Rozen
April 11 , 2007

In June 2004, journalist Seymour Hersh reported in the New Yorker that Israelis operating in northern Iraq under the guise of businessmen were in fact cultivating Kurdish proxies to gather intelligence in preparation for possible future action against Iran. About the same time, I too was hearing about Israelis operating in Kurdish northern Iraq. First, from a former senior American diplomat who was invited by an Israeli American businessman to advise the Kurds on how to get billions of dollars they believed they were owed from the Saddam Hussein-era United Nations Oil-for-Food program. The diplomat gave me the Israeli’s name—Shlomi Michaels—and phone numbers for Michaels in Beverly Hills, Turkey, and Israel. The diplomat had walked away from the project, put off by Michaels’ temper, and also, he said, by doubts about what Michaels was really up to, and who he might really be working for.

So I was intrigued when, last summer, I read in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz that Shlomi Michaels had become the subject of an Israeli government investigation for allegedly operating in Iraq without the required authorization from the Israeli authorities. Not only had I known about Michaels for two years, I had spent about as long trying to understand if the Bush administration would embrace the regime-change policy of its Iran hawks, who believe that the solution to Iran’s nuclear ambitions is to promote mass uprisings of ethnic minority and dissident groups such as the Kurds.

LINK

War Dog said...

23..???

I was looking for 11....

Alice said...

SJ ..If I want this beginner glider...where should I get it?

I will ask him when I see him if he has an interest in speaking to an experienced rcairplane flyer...he might...not sure...I showed him youtubes of demo's....

You know what...? The raucus of children today was at a high...I'm literally sore right now from hearing it...Trippy....I really was going to have kids at one point in life...but now...I'm so happy I don't have any...Cat fights are more than enough of a challenge for me...This woman has like SIX kids...! I mean on their own..I do live kids of course...like all the other humans..But to be responsible for one!? Man...you mom's are something other worldly to handle that...

toniD said...

Gingrich suggested creating war ‘czar.’ A few weeks ago, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich sent a memo to the White House advocating the creation of a high-powered “czar” to oversee the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as part of an 18-point plan. At least five retired generals have turned down the job.

LINK

Unknown said...

well snorter dog,

talk to the local gang.

should be a zillion or so used planes in the club.

i like the flying scale event myself. i won the AMA regionals last time i competed.

toniD said...

During CNN Appearance, Al Franken Calls On CNN To Fire Glenn Beck »
Appearing last night on CNN’s Larry King Live, Al Franken said that firing Don Imus was the “right decision,” but pointed out that CNN has its own anchor who regularly spews hateful and bigoted remarks.

“CNN has Glenn Beck on,” Franken told King. “Glenn Beck asked my congressman, Keith Ellison, who is the first Muslim to be elected to Congress, you know, I just want to ask you, how do I know that you’re not working with the enemy? … I don’t know why that wasn’t grounds for CNN thinking, well, maybe Glenn Beck shouldn’t be on. I mean, how dare he say that to a congressman who has just been elected?”

King asked Franken, “With a lot of [controversial remarks] going on, are you calling for other dismissals?” Franken said, “No, I’m not. Just Glenn Beck on your network.” Watch it:

Some recent low-lights from Glenn Beck:

The anti-gay slur “faggot” is nothing more than “a naughty name.” [1/23/07]

“[Hillary Clinton is] the stereotypical bitch.” [3/15/07]

“What happened to the Duke lacrosse team was practically a lynching without the rope. And for the first time in my life, Mr. Oreo Cookie without the chocolate on the outside can understand why people celebrated when O.J. Simpson was acquitted.” [1/15/07, using a racial slur for African-Americans that refers to “being black on the outside and white on the inside]

“I wonder if I’m alone in this — you know it took me about a year to start hating the 9-11 victims’ families? Took me about a year.” [9/9/05]

“And that’s all we’re hearing about, are the people in New Orleans. Those are the only ones we’re seeing on television are the scumbags.” [9/9/05]

LINK

Anonymous said...

Catharine,

I tried, in part, to explain the Imus insults to some co-workers (yes, I've been called into work again of late).

I said, "I lived among West Indians. Very often I was one of the only white faces in the crowd. It became the norm. It was ordinary. When I visited the States and heard nigger jokes, I cringed."

Degradation is nothing more than a glass house dividing "us" from "them". It is the most vile of human tendencies.

It is why I cannot abide War Dog's mindset. Niggers, liberals, spics; it's all the same. "We are the chosen and they are not."

"They" are nothing more remarkable than a few more of us flailing around in the fog.

Except, of course, for the bigoted War Dog. He stands alone above the unenlightened masses. He lives in a fantasy that imagines a brass ring hanging above every head; slackers don't grab it and bootstrappers do.

I say, let him tell it to the dead in the Green Zone. Tell it to tsunami victims. Tell it to people who sank their investments into the American Dream in New Orleans. Tell it to the unborn who will pay for his "less taxes" credo following his war solution cum failure.

The putz doesn't know how tenuous his gloat-worthy position is.

And bringing him down to size is not the point, nor is it the point with Imus and Limbaugh and others.

The point is that we are all in this together. It ain't us and them. It ain't shirts and skins.

(cue War Dog rant decrying socialism)

toniD said...

Wolfowitz to resign from the World Bank over his girlfriend scandal?

UPDATE: The World Bank Staff Association called for his resignation at a press conference today, and Wolfowitz made an unexpected impromptu appearance.

UPDATE II: The Treasury Department’s “top international policy adviser had kind words for embattled World Bank President Paul Wolfowitz but deflected questions on whether the Bush administration continues to support him.”

LINK

Ajata said...

toniD said...

Wolfowitz to resign from the World Bank over his girlfriend scandal?

UPDATE: The World Bank Staff Association called for his resignation at a press conference today, and Wolfowitz made an unexpected impromptu appearance.

********

Wow!

Imus... NBC...CBS... Wolfowicz... Rove....

It's raining creeps! Hallelujah, they're getting theirs!

Unknown said...

Gliders vary from the stick and file card ones i teach beginners to build (3 cents or less, fly superbly when ya get em trimmed just right) to $2 balsa gliders to serious beginner kits (20 to 40)

Hobby shop visit best. find the oldest fart around to ask questions too.

i have some balsa kits he could have for free. good ones, actual hand glider competition types, but simple. solid wings and tails.

want to get him a care package for next month?

i could throw in some of my training manuals...

a few odds and ends...

Anonymous said...

I think bloggers like Fishgrease maddog, and ALLCAPITOLDUDE just need to be ignored.

For Lionel listening (and a lot of other talkers), this is a wonderful radio site (first one is direct to Lionel, if I've done it correctly, if not , just go to "search"):

http://radiotime.com/ProgramDetails.aspx?ProgramId=20409

http://radiotime.com

Peace

Anonymous said...

Catharine: "It's raining creeps!"
April 12, 2007 11:21 PM
---------------------------------
...and I thought that the pollen was bad...

Alice said...

Sunshine said...

April 12, 2007 11:21 PM

Do you even know how happy this kid would be to receive a care package of rc plane stuff?

Alice said...

I think you do... ;)

toniD said...

At least five retired generals have turned down the position of war “czar,” according to CBS’s David Martin. He adds that the search for a war coordinator “is a confession that in the fifth year of the war in Iraq, the Bush administration still has not figured out how to harness all the agencies of the U.S. government into a unified war effort.”

LINK

Anonymous said...

To AAR Management:

The DLC rides again. Our young soldiers bleed for nothing, Iraq is
destroyed. The Middle East, the whole world hates us; the
"Democratic"Congress waffles, the whole country cries out for truth -
and you put Sam Seder, who does speak truth directly, out to pasture on
Sunday and give us "Lionel." Imus is now at liberty. Why not
hire him and get it over with? Who can forget "owner" Mark Green's Rove
tactics against Freddy Ferrer and his DLC styled Mayoral campaign? Losing
elections and disempowering the people is a DLC specialty. You
people give pusillanimity a bad name.
For shame!

Roy Metcalf.

Unknown said...

Sunny J: "want to get him a care package for next month? i could throw in some of my training manuals..."
---------------------------------
Come on, you cheapskate. Send him that RC saucer you've been hoarding.

"Gort! Here's a buck, table fer two."

Alice said...

I heard one blurb about the "Czar" somewhere...something like there already is one...

Anonymous said...

Sam was on Countdown and did well.

He looked great, too.

Al Franken was on CNN Larry King last night and he was GREAT. They also showed some fun clips.

GO Al! I wish I could vote for you :)

Al for Senate!

Unknown said...

actually i don't really fly much RC.

i fly Line control models mostly.

but i do fly Magnificent "Gas" engine models.

i think i have 90 glow plug engines from 1940 to 2003.

and several vintage actual gasoline airplane engines from the 30's and 40's.

think i could send em a junker or two to learn on.

War Dog said...

(cue War Dog rant decrying socialism)

April 12, 2007 11:18 PM

======================================================================

On NPR today they were talking about survey they did..

As bunch of questions..

The one that drew the most interest was one on National Health..

All the Libs though it was a great Idea..

One lady wanted to leave the country because we did not have it here..

It got me to thinkin..

The value of a Health care policy is about 200 dollars per month per person..

I wonder what the voters would say if every household was to be taxed at $200 per person..

Husband/wife/3 kids = $1000.00 month...

There ya go ....

National Health Plan for everybody...

Ha ha ha ha...

Watch em scream..!!!!

War Dog said...

By the way..

What did Fishgrease do..???

Did I miss it..??

Of did he just get tarred just in case he might do something later..???

Unknown said...

OK!

done deal then!

one boxful coming up!

Unknown said...

What did Fishgrease do..???""

i think that was a confused one there... not sure where she was coming from...

fishgreases only recent sin has been truancy from the bloggo

toniD said...

Senator Domenici faces
retirement rumors
The past two months have not been easy for Sen. Pete Domenici, the six-term Republican from New Mexico accused of pressuring his state's former U.S. attorney on a political corruption investigation.

LINK

Unknown said...

eya dogger

we were talking models once.

what kind is your favorite?

War Dog said...

In that case, Fishgrease gets one Get Out of Jail Free Card..

The next time he is an ASS he can just whip out that card and smile..

War Dog said...

If I went back now I would have to start over with a high-wind trainer..

I think I could pick it up but it would take time..

Every time I drive by a flyin field I get the Itch..

Maybe when I retire..

But then I will be in the Motorhome with no room for all that stuff..

It looks like a while before I get back to it..

Alice said...

That's awesome, SJ...!!!!! Thank you!

Oddly, I found that Ernie Pyle book again on the free cart...I didn't take it...I should have for Chubbs...

I'll get some stuff together for him this weekend...No matter when I send it..I just feel like he's gonna give us shit for letting him rot, (so to speak) no matter what...

Did Crank write to him yet?

Unknown said...

Bgurl is making a teddy bear for fun.

she just got to the stage where she's got it sewn and she's stuffing it...

Ruzz is facinated with it and is sitting in a kitchen chair watching every move she makes!

Anonymous said...

----------

very cranky bait said...

Degradation is nothing more than a glass house dividing "us" from "them". It is the most vile of human tendencies.

And bringing him down to size is not the point, nor is it the point with Imus and Limbaugh and others.

The point is that we are all in this together. It ain't us and them.

April 12, 2007 11:18 PM
________________________

Very good point, Crank Bait!

Good to see you, very Cranky Bait!

Unknown said...

Did Crank write to him yet?"""

yeah.

Cb said he sent him 40 pages of henny youngman jokes

Alice said...

truancy from the bloggo

April 12, 2007 11:49 PM

Seriously...

I can only wonder when my time's coming.... :)

Crank Bait said...

Sunny J: "Cb said he sent him 40 pages of henny youngman jokes"
April 13, 2007 12:02 AM
----------------------------------
Every time you weave this tale the number of pages grows X 4.

Unknown said...

he gets on the phone and he's doing

"Take my cell mate.

please!"

jokes.

with two dollar a minute phone calls i told him i expected an ethel merman routine the next time around.

Crank Bait said...

Take my probation interview...please.

Unknown said...

artistic license...

i got it with my MRR Jr. Reporter Press Pass paclage.

Crank Bait said...

The Rajah enters the mess hall:

"I'd like a table near a waiter."

toniD said...

Night all.
getty sleepy.

Olbermann's on!

Later

Alice said...

http://pyramidcam.com/

Rally of the Pyramids: April 28th - May 5th

Siag Travel is hosting and organizing one of the major international motorbike rally events of the year starting on the 28th of the month. The Rally of the Pyramids will last 8 days and follow a course that will take it over almost the entire Western Desert of Egypt. There are special visitor packages for local residents and foreign visitors. Go here for more information. The Pyramidcam crew will be along and doing special webcasts for schools in the U.S.

Unknown said...

CB said to tell everybody that he does'nt want to guilt trip anyone.

he is insanely grateful for the letters though.

Jenise sent him 7 bucks cash and they would'nt let him have it. he had to spend a coupla bucks to send it back...

Unknown said...

Night T!

have a good snooze, Cya in the AM!

Crank Bait said...

Sunny J: "Jenise sent him 7 bucks cash and they would'nt let him have it. he had to spend a coupla bucks to send it back..."
April 13, 2007 12:18 AM
---------------------------------
...I guess the plasma cutter will be returned "postage due"?

(It seemed like a good idea at the time.)

Unknown said...

he said he could accept books

and gasoline chop saws

Alice said...

Carter condemns, Ban meets, students protest

Alice said...

Sunshine said...

Jenise sent him 7 bucks cash and they would'nt let him have it. he had to spend a coupla bucks to send it back...

April 13, 2007 12:18 AM

That makes me want to barf...I mean..look at the story NC posted about the cops beating prisoners...

Whatever..some things are so fucked up..Right now I have no idea how to fix em or even improve them...

Unknown said...

send him a book

(with a do it yourself lockpicking set inside)

and a bag of fritos, and some cat fur to spread around the cell.

Crank Bait said...

Rajah: "Take my wife...please!"
Bait: "I sent 450,000 Henny Youngman jokes and that is the only one that you can remember?"
Rajah: "How many do you remember?"
Bait: "THAT'S NOT THE POINT!"

Unknown said...

like anything else, social changes take time even when they're happening at exponential speeds.

Anonymous said...

what is chubby's mailing address?

Unknown said...

he said you only sent one

but it was a really good one.

Unknown said...

CB's addie

(I'm trusting you anon)

Kirk Bowers 302414
Airway Heights Correction Center.
PO Box 2139 Unit TB - 36
Airway Heights Washington, USA
99001 - 2139

Unknown said...

he said used books are fine.

the one he has now has a 1/4 inch of missing pages in the middle.

Alice said...

Rulers and the ruled: Dangerous disconnect Pt 1, By Noam Chomsky

The Iran effect
The results of an attack on Iran could be horrendous. After all, according to a recent study of "the Iraq effect" by terrorism specialists Peter Bergen and Paul Cruickshank, using government and Rand Corporation data, the Iraq invasion has already led to a sevenfold increase in terror.

.................


Whatever "Terror" means...fuck if I know...

Unknown said...

time for snoozalatory adventures.

any last stuff b4 i go?

Alice said...

I time should kiss my assssssssssssssssssss..............

Like everything else...

JG was smart like that.. :)

Anonymous said...

Yes

"The point is that we are all in this together. It ain't us and them. "

--
Yes to the first

and yes to the second sad-

ly-


snooze on, everyone ;-)

Alice said...

I think that's true bridge & SJ ...but can you honestly hate someone for not realizing that, yet?

I can't...

Good night, Blog...

Alice said...

Well, as an ugly person, I'm offended by our 'special treatment!'

*

Just as long as they don't call it "Nappy-headed 'Ho Betty!"

:)

Anonymous said...

Craig Crawford:

""[I]f more people had listened to the whole context of this man's show, they would see a broader picture.""

----
CC - enabler and symbolic of the whole problem

one listens to something like that (the second day mind you after defending friend Imus on the first day along with the rest) and all one can do is shake one's head at the shamelessness of this millionaire pundit who doesn't miss a beat. It never ceases to amaze me.

ok I'm gone ;-)

New Owner said...

thanks for posting CB's contact info, I'll send him something within the next few days.

Anonymous said...

so it goes fuck that

so it is gone

if i see the phrase so it goes in refrence to Saint Vonnegut one more time I will vomit

the world has lost more because of vonnegut's death than perhaps the polar icecaps...thank God for Vonnegut...and no that is no joke

The only reason I am not insane right now is because he books will live on...until they are burned but they will live on forever, really...just like
the four dimensional trags...

-conbo

Waiting for Cicero said...

Hello, goodbye, hello, goodbye.

toniD said...

Morning WFC

Did you see Sam on Olbermann last night?

Waiting for Cicero said...

Mornin'.

No, I haven't turned on the t.v. in a while. Should check and see if Amato has it up, I guess.

toniD said...

Troops React To Forced Extensions With ‘Anger,’ ‘Frustration,’ ‘Collective Groan’
Defense Secretary Robert Gates announced yesterday that all U.S. Army soldiers in Iraq would have their 12-month tours in Iraq extended by 3 additional months. House Armed Services Committee Chairman Ike Skelton (D-MO) called the policy “an additional burden to an already overstretched Army,” and warned not to “underestimate the enormous negative impact this will have on Army families.”

Now, newspapers are returning harrowing accounts from the ground, where U.S. soldiers reacted to the news with “muffled outbursts of anger and frustration laced with dark humor.” The Washington Post reports:

They found out by reading exasperated e-mails from their spouses, hearing somber announcements from their platoon commanders, seeing snippets of the secretary of defense at a televised news conference: The American soldiers who thought they were staying in Iraq one year would now stay 15 months. All of them.

From Texas to Baghdad and Baqubah to the Beltway, the reaction Thursday among U.S. soldiers and their families to the news of the mass extension was akin to a collective groan.

“It flat-out sucks, that’s the only way I can think to describe it,” said Pvt. Jeremy Perkins, 25… “I found this out today from my squad leader. I still haven’t told my wife yet. I’m just trying to figure out exactly how I’m going to break it to her that ‘Honey, uh, yeah, might be home before our next anniversary. Sorry I missed the last one.’”

Similar scenes of soldiers worried about their families and relationships were documented by the New York Times:

The soldiers wondered if their relationships back home could weather an extension and predicted that divorce rates in the military would spike. They muttered about three additional months of forced celibacy and fretted half jokingly about impatient wives and girlfriends. “Now a lot of cheating be going on,” said Sgt. Jonathan Wilson, 29. “I’m serious.”

Specialist Lawson had planned to take a vacation with his former wife, with whom he has two daughters, after he got back to the division’s home base in Schweinfurt, Germany. They were going to give the relationship another try.

“This has totally wrecked everything I had planned,” he said as he slumped on an empty explosives crate.

“Now I’m never going to get together with my ex-wife,” he said. “I’m scared that the longer it takes, more things could happen.”

The price that’s paid for a war without end.

LINK

toniD said...

How many ruined lives, let alone the deaths and injuries. I don't think these men and women that joined realized at that time that this would happen. Am all volunteer army is different than the drafted people. The families are effected even more than in any war before.

I still can't believe that a mother or wife of these troops would talk about how their son or daughter died for the Bush admin's war and are proud to have sacrificed them.

Waiting for Cicero said...

Gonna catch a quick nap.

Should be back for the show.

bbl

toniD said...

Sleep well

Cat Chew said...

The Fourteenth Calypso [ 48 ]

When I was young
I was so gay and mean,
And I drank and chased the girls
Just like young St. Augustine.
Saint Augustine,
He got to be a saint.
So, if I get to be one, also,
Please. Mama, don't you faint.

~~~Bokonon

Cat Chew said...

G'morning, Toni.

“This has totally wrecked everything I had planned,” he said as he slumped on an empty explosives crate.

That makes me want to cry. It reminded me of someone elses wrecked plans that made me very angry:

From Salon's War Room, April 11:

"Some very thoughtless person"

Secretary of Defense Robert Gates complained bitterly today that "some very thoughtless person" at the Pentagon leaked word about duty extensions for Army units in Iraq and Afghanistan. Gates said that the leak robbed the Army "the opportunity to notify unit commanders who could then talk to their troops 48 hours before we made a public announcement."

Was there maybe another reason that Gates wanted to keep the story under wraps? As War Room reader Terry Anastassiou notes, George W. Bush mentioned duty extensions just yesterday as one of the terrible things that might have to happen if Congress doesn't get him a timetable-free "emergency" supplemental spending bill soon. At a speech at an American Legion post in Virginia, Bush said: "If Congress fails to pass a bill I can sign by mid-May ... Some of our forces now deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq may need to be extended, because other units are not ready to take their places."

We're just guessing here, but it's not all that hard to imagine how this might have played out for the White House. Bush plays hardball with the Democrats into May. The Pentagon announces that it has to extend troop deployments by a few months. And the president says, "See, I warned you. Look what those Democrats have done."

-- Tim Grieve

Cat Chew said...

Excerpt from For God's Sake:

"The infiltration of the federal government by large numbers of people seeking to impose a religious agenda — which is very different from simply being people of faith — is one of the most important stories of the last six years. It’s also a story that tends to go underreported, perhaps because journalists are afraid of sounding like conspiracy theorists.

"But this conspiracy is no theory. The official platform of the Texas Republican Party pledges to “dispel the myth of the separation of church and state.” And the Texas Republicans now running the country are doing their best to fulfill that pledge."

More at Kevin's place

War Dog said...

What a Happie Doggie Friday...

Don't you just love Fridays..

I know I do..!!!

And guess what..

Sam and I start our vacations today...!!!

Ya gotta love that..!

War Dog said...

Friday the 13th..

Sam's last full-time show..

What a wild day...

The end of a 3 year run...

Not bad really...

Not when you think of all they have been through..

Cat Chew said...

I was too drowsy to watch Seder on Countdown, taped it to view later, but I did catch a glimpse of him before I turned off the tube and my impression was, with the dapper haircut and threads, he looked like a man going on a job interview. Very spiffy! Still, I hope the haircut doesn't prevent the headphone cowlicks. Kinda cute. On the other hand, it might prevent early morning inebriation due to The SammyCam drinking game: down a shot for every visible cowlick.

Later. I'll be over at Shameless™ ToniD's News Emporium catching up. :)

War Dog said...

It was Crazy Talk that was the focus this week..

Big business has it's expectations..

They have seen all this before..

No one wants to end the target of letter writing campaign..

No one wants to buy into that..!!!

War Dog said...

In the end, AAR is trying to put a Smiley Face on this network..

"You don't need to fear us!"

Liberal Lite -

That's the New Air America..

War Dog said...

The Black List...

A list of Big Business who choice not to be associated with Air America..

That is what has to be changed..

You can't run a National Radio Network and forfeit the Ad Revenue of the Largest Companies in the United States...

War Dog said...

What Sam did in the end was smart..

Invite Conservatives to call in and be part of the show..

Air America can not survive just feeding the Far Left Wing in America..

They tried it and lost the Conservative Business they need to balance the books..

War Dog said...

Janeane did not want to take any calls..

She still wants to play her worn Katherine Harris bit..

What a waste of time and talent..

But given the fits of temper and hate that she gave the callers, it is easy to see why she wanted to hide behind a character...

Anonymous said...

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Elderta said...

oh my god. I'm so sorry you all are plagued by such a troll. well, i'm glad my scrolling finger works.

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